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Tuesday, 29.Jun.2004

9:36 - hrmm.. interesting // linkage

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I hadn't considered this before, though it's clear enough that I'm suprised at my lack of contemplation on the topic. Sure, the numbers used are purely speculative, but that's a given when playing "what if" games.

what if all the aborted babies were alive and voting today?
Summary: Democrats tend to have more abortions than Republicans, children tend to take on the political views of their parents/familly, hence the Pro-choice platform traditionally associated with the democratic party has hurt the future political success of the democratic party.
Warning: seems to take on a "oh look at the silly liberals, shooting themselves in the foot" tone.

All statistics and partisan ideology aside, it's an interesting topic to consider. What if all those potential voters were alive today, would anything be different?

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From:tobin
Date:10:09 29.Jun.2004 (UTC)
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Are you talking "Would anything be different" in a voting capacity only, or are you talking about the socio-economic impact on the nation as well?
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From:lograh
Date:10:31 29.Jun.2004 (UTC)
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purely in a voting results view. Certainly an extra 24 million people would have a significant impact on the socio-economic strata of the nation, there's really no argument there.

I just find this page interesting and am led to wonder about the assumptions it's making (of which there are quite a few) and I'm thinking of how great those are and if there can be anything reliably said about the claims he's making.
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From:graphxgrrl
Date:10:44 29.Jun.2004 (UTC)
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I think there are just too many "What if" things to consider there. People who have had abortions will have children later in life--might they not have had those later children if they had carried to term the aborted child? My political ideology is in many ways hugely different from that of my parents, though I have very similar moral values--they manifest differently in the way we vote.

Certainly a larger population would have an impact on voting of some variety, but I'm not sure you could even conclude that we'd have X number of additional voters, let alone X number of additional democrats and republicans.
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From:lograh
Date:11:07 29.Jun.2004 (UTC)
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good point, who's to say that they didn't have another child even one year later, and as such that individual would be in the same voting generation and so there is no "missing voter" after all?

and yes, the "children adopt the political ideologies of their parents" argument is very shaky and highly questionable, but for every person that says "I'm nothing like my parents" I have another person I know that does vote like his/her parents. There likely is in fact no correlation between the political affiliations of children and their parents, rather than one way or the other.

Ah well, even with all that, it's still a fun thought-experiment. Gotta have something to keep me awake while I do helpline. :)
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From:graphxgrrl
Date:15:43 29.Jun.2004 (UTC)
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And I'm an example of someone who could vote wildly differently from their parents in one case, and exactly the same in another.

I like my fuzzy grey world much better than his black and white one. Much less logical fallacy to hide from. ;)
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From:mslulu
Date:10:55 29.Jun.2004 (UTC)
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And just to complain a wee bit, their claim that children take on the views of the parents is flawed. This was once the prevailing belief, however this was challenged in the mid 60's. Sociological studies have since looked at other influences in political socialization and research has shown that numerous other factors that occur while a child learns and grows tends to dilute the parents' effects.

(I personally fall under this category as the liberal daughter of two very conservative parents.)



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From:lograh
Date:11:03 29.Jun.2004 (UTC)
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oh, that's not the least issue to complain about with this page. I will readilly admit that this page is making a lot of huge assumptions (as I think I did say in response to tobin), some or all of which may be entirely invalid.

What interests me is the overall "what if" of the possible political effects (if any) that many people from those demographics could have had. It's quite possible there would be no effect at all, but I still find it interesting to think about.
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From:mslulu
Date:11:11 29.Jun.2004 (UTC)
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Most likely, we'd just end up with a lot more people in Florida who don't know how to operate a voting machine. :)
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From:lograh
Date:11:40 29.Jun.2004 (UTC)
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heheh.. :)

(good thing I had swalloed the drink before reading this, otherwise I'd be searching for a new keyboard).
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