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Monday, 23.Feb.2004

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hrmm..

So, I've managed to find some DVD+R media at $35 for a spindle of 25 discs. Phillips is the brand, which is reasonable enough for my tastes. I've also found spindles of 100 DVD-R discs for under $100 but it was a brand-x name, and I've learned from many lost CDs not to trust BrandX overly much. Anyone out there managed to hunt down DVD media for less than $35/25discs? +R vs. -R doesn't matter much as the burner I'll be using handles both. It's only a 4x burner, though, so it'd be nice if the discs were 4x or less (I'm patient, I can wait for a 2x or 1x burn).

Secondly, we've all seen the phrase "I think, therefore I am" tossed around. On the way home, I got to wondering:

Have you actually read the discourse it is from (be honest)?

Yeah, I've read Descartes.
5(71.4%)
I just heard it from my friend.
2(28.6%)

Have you ever argued it (for or against)?

Spent two weeks on it in my intro to philosophy class, in fact!
4(57.1%)
I never actually felt strongly enough about it one way or the other.
2(28.6%)
Huh? What?
1(14.3%)

What percentage of people do you think have read it (the source, not the quote)?

90 or more (yeah, I'm an optimist)
0(0.0%)
75-90
0(0.0%)
60-75 (I try to think of myself as a realist -- I hope)
0(0.0%)
50ish
0(0.0%)
30-50 (some may say I'm a pessimist, I think I'm a realist)
2(28.6%)
1-25 (yeah, I'm a pessimist)
3(42.9%)
less than 1 (I'm a smartass who doesn't count reading translations as actually reading it)
2(28.6%)

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From:macklinr
Date:20:01 23.Feb.2004 (UTC)

Rant time

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I think your poll is flawed - at least the comments are inappropriate:

In your first question, I am aware that it is from Decartes. I didn't just "hear it from a friend", I learned about it in school. However, I didn't read Decartes, as I wasn't required to, so I felt the most appropriate of the two options (again, neither of which applied to me) was the second one.

I have no opinion on the second one, but if I did, I would voice it.

For the third question, I have to answer less than one percent. Not because I'm a smartass in the way you describe, but because I don't believe that there is even 1 out of 100 people in this country (and I won't limit it to the world, in which case the large mass of illiterate masses in Third World countries - not to count those elsewhere - would tip the balance towards the lower end), but because I cannot honestly believe that one out of every hundred people have read, or even heard of, Decartes. Remember - the ignorant and moronic outnumber the informed and intelligent.

If you question this, just start asking random people if they even know who Decartes is. I don't mean just people you know, as intelligent people often keep other intelligent people as company. And I welcome being proved wrong - maybe my faith in humanity will one day recover.

Anyway, I'm done with my rant.
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From:lograh
Date:22:06 23.Feb.2004 (UTC)

Re: Rant time

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hrmm.. tough call. is hearing it from a teacher any different from hearing it from a friend? I dunno.. I guess the crux of it would be if you have been exposed to it in a setting where you had a chance to appreciate the process by which it was arrived and if you understood what is being asserted within the discourse.

as for asking random people, I think that'd make for an excellent little distraction. Try it first on campus ('cause I'm there) and then head to the mauls and see if the numbers are any different. I'd be rather curious to see just what percentage of people have been exposed to it.
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From:macklinr
Date:22:51 23.Feb.2004 (UTC)

Re: Rant time

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That'll still only, at best, gain a more cosmopolitan demographic. You're not counting Hackville, the ghetto, etc. Remember, the intelligencia is a rather small class of people.
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From:lograh
Date:5:50 24.Feb.2004 (UTC)

Re: Rant time

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yes, but by virtue of Sacramento being known for it's "average" demographic, I can have some assurances that if I hit enough different spots, I'll reach most of the sub-categories. And besides, even factoring in those groups, once I've hit enough people in my sample, I'll have an idea for where the real value is.
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From:macklinr
Date:10:32 24.Feb.2004 (UTC)

Re: Rant time

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If Sacramento is an "average" demographic, then sure. But, then I personally don't believe that there is such a thing.
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From:lograh
Date:8:14 26.Feb.2004 (UTC)

Re: Rant time

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actually, sacramento is an "average" demographic. It's why telemarketers/telesurveyers love us so much. It's why we get all sorts of new products nowhere else gets (remember Dr. Slice? I loved that shit, couldn't find it anywhere else I went in CA). Sacramento has long been one of the top test markets in the US because the ratios of people here closely mimics the ratios of people as found across the country.

Least, last I heard. Granted, things might have changed in the past few years, but I doubt it.
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From:macklinr
Date:8:19 26.Feb.2004 (UTC)

Re: Rant time

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Oh, right, I forgot about that. Okay, I conceed that Sacramento is an "average" demographic. But to get a proper polling, you'd need to do more than just go to the mall and CSUS - after all, Dr. Slice was sold more places than that.

Of course, there are more enjoyable activities to be had than polling about Descartes :)
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From:lograh
Date:15:31 26.Feb.2004 (UTC)

Re: Rant time

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well, yeah, but it'd certainly be interesting to try for a day when I'm *really* bored.. :)
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From:hariseldon
Date:23:30 23.Feb.2004 (UTC)
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I actually just bought a spindle of 100 DVD+R 4x discs at best buy. TDK brand, had an in-store rebate, $99. That beats your posted price by 40 cents per disc. Needed 100 because I have to have SOME way of cleaning up 480 gigs of hard drive space (I knew there was a price to be paid for lots of space!)
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From:lograh
Date:5:49 24.Feb.2004 (UTC)
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oh yeah, I knew the price I found was not the cheapest, I just needed some help finding the cheaper ones. TDK is good enough for me. BestBuy, you say? I may have to head over to the local one today.

Thanks for the tip!
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From:hariseldon
Date:21:05 05.Mar.2004 (UTC)
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Just thought Id point out that I just got in the new microcenter flier and they have DVD-R for 79 cents per disc (25pk) or 69 cents when you buy more than 100 discs. Thats just damn cheap for DVD's.
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